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	<title>Comments on: Skipping (Brü)lightly along with Hannah Berry</title>
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		<title>By: Rod McKie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod McKie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, that&#039;s part of it Joe.  

Outside the obvious notable exceptions, I don&#039;t see much evidence of the &#039;new talent&#039;, emerging, at least not in any quantity, but again that is largely, as you say, down to the fact that there just isn&#039;t the opportunity over here.

I do agree that the small press, mini-comics, scene is the answer, but at present our innovative cartoonists, Tom Gauld would be an example, have to produce their own minis, attract attention in the US, get into some good US anthologies, and only then get delivered back to us here in the UK.  I&#039;d like to see a simpler route, with talent nurtured here, although that is difficult when the Arts Council doesn&#039;t even recognise &#039;cartooning&#039; as a category (apparently next year they may add it to the animation category).

So you might think I would welcome Hannah Berry&#039;s 3-book deal as a positive step forward, for cartoonists.  Well I would, but she isn&#039;t one, not in the sense that say Posey Simmonds is, or Jessica Abel is or Raina Telgemeier is or Renee French is. There is no evidence that she is a cartoonist at all - apart from this very, very, well produced book.

Now, although I think the current way of doing things, or having to do things, is wrong, I&#039;m naturally very suspicious when people leap over the &#039;apprenticeship&#039; (for want of a better word) that most cartoonists go through before they get a graphic novel published, and suddenly end up on the same bookshelf as Can Clowes and Charles Burns.  In indy terms it&#039;s like jumping straight from being passed over for Shoit Crock and then going straight into Kramers Ergot.  It doesn&#039;t happen.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, that&#8217;s part of it Joe.  </p>
<p>Outside the obvious notable exceptions, I don&#8217;t see much evidence of the &#8216;new talent&#8217;, emerging, at least not in any quantity, but again that is largely, as you say, down to the fact that there just isn&#8217;t the opportunity over here.</p>
<p>I do agree that the small press, mini-comics, scene is the answer, but at present our innovative cartoonists, Tom Gauld would be an example, have to produce their own minis, attract attention in the US, get into some good US anthologies, and only then get delivered back to us here in the UK.  I&#8217;d like to see a simpler route, with talent nurtured here, although that is difficult when the Arts Council doesn&#8217;t even recognise &#8216;cartooning&#8217; as a category (apparently next year they may add it to the animation category).</p>
<p>So you might think I would welcome Hannah Berry&#8217;s 3-book deal as a positive step forward, for cartoonists.  Well I would, but she isn&#8217;t one, not in the sense that say Posey Simmonds is, or Jessica Abel is or Raina Telgemeier is or Renee French is. There is no evidence that she is a cartoonist at all &#8211; apart from this very, very, well produced book.</p>
<p>Now, although I think the current way of doing things, or having to do things, is wrong, I&#8217;m naturally very suspicious when people leap over the &#8216;apprenticeship&#8217; (for want of a better word) that most cartoonists go through before they get a graphic novel published, and suddenly end up on the same bookshelf as Can Clowes and Charles Burns.  In indy terms it&#8217;s like jumping straight from being passed over for Shoit Crock and then going straight into Kramers Ergot.  It doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Rod, I won&#039;t argue over likes and dislikes because that&#039;s obviously a completely individual thing, one person loves it, another doesn&#039;t see what the fuss is about. I certainly loved it. I&#039;m not so sure about your second point though about the UK not producing great work in the comics sphere though as I think we produce some top notch and very diverse (and often influential) material from both famous names and new talent coming up through the small press. Unless you mean perhaps that there aren&#039;t as many prominentBritish publishers putting out work by British creators in the same way as, say, D&amp;Q or Fanta do in the US?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Rod, I won&#8217;t argue over likes and dislikes because that&#8217;s obviously a completely individual thing, one person loves it, another doesn&#8217;t see what the fuss is about. I certainly loved it. I&#8217;m not so sure about your second point though about the UK not producing great work in the comics sphere though as I think we produce some top notch and very diverse (and often influential) material from both famous names and new talent coming up through the small press. Unless you mean perhaps that there aren&#8217;t as many prominentBritish publishers putting out work by British creators in the same way as, say, D&#038;Q or Fanta do in the US?</p>
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		<title>By: Rod McKie</title>
		<link>http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2008/skipping-brulightly-along-with-hannah-berry/comment-page-1/#comment-146116</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod McKie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter bought the book.  It isn&#039;t very good, in my opinion. It looks okay, if a little bit Ben Katchor-lite; but it lacks the sort of depth a closer familiarity with the medium brings.
 
After reading it I read Hannah&#039;s little bio piece on some photography site, or other, where she suggested graphic novels had &#039;suddenly&#039; become popular just on time for her work to appear.  Brilliant.  That was a hoot.

My great worry is, and I spoken of it often, that Britain won&#039;t ever produce work on a par with that created by US cartoonists like Art Speigelman, Charles Burns, Daniel Clowes, Chris Ware, et al, and cartoonists from other countries like Shaun Tan, unless we let the real practised creative cartoonists create the work.  When we don&#039;t do that, we allow the litterati and mainstream publishers to produce &#039;graphic novelists&#039; the way music companies produce boy bands, and we open the door for a new range of &#039;graphic novels&#039; by the likes of Posh Spice and Katie Price - all illustrated by nameless work-for-hire cartoon monkeys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter bought the book.  It isn&#8217;t very good, in my opinion. It looks okay, if a little bit Ben Katchor-lite; but it lacks the sort of depth a closer familiarity with the medium brings.</p>
<p>After reading it I read Hannah&#8217;s little bio piece on some photography site, or other, where she suggested graphic novels had &#8217;suddenly&#8217; become popular just on time for her work to appear.  Brilliant.  That was a hoot.</p>
<p>My great worry is, and I spoken of it often, that Britain won&#8217;t ever produce work on a par with that created by US cartoonists like Art Speigelman, Charles Burns, Daniel Clowes, Chris Ware, et al, and cartoonists from other countries like Shaun Tan, unless we let the real practised creative cartoonists create the work.  When we don&#8217;t do that, we allow the litterati and mainstream publishers to produce &#8216;graphic novelists&#8217; the way music companies produce boy bands, and we open the door for a new range of &#8216;graphic novels&#8217; by the likes of Posh Spice and Katie Price &#8211; all illustrated by nameless work-for-hire cartoon monkeys.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;graphic novel medium&quot; - what&#039;s that then?? Is it comics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;graphic novel medium&#8221; &#8211; what&#8217;s that then?? Is it comics?</p>
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